The CR-V, Honda’s first crossover vehicle, was unveiled in 1996 in Chicago. For American consumers it was deciphered as Compact Recreational Vehicle, i.e. “compact recreational vehicle”, and for Japanese consumers – as Comfortable Runabout Vehicle (“comfortable recreational vehicle”). The model has become the second in the modern automobile history of crossover modern type, that is all-wheel drive vehicle with a load-bearing body, comfort and handling of passenger cars and the ability to overcome mild off-road (the first was a year earlier Toyota RAV4). The following year in 1997, the cohort crossover Subaru Forester joined, and a new class began its victorious march across the planet … But we are interested in the Honda CR-V.
Already the first generation of the model differed from its competitors of the same class orientation on family values: a roomy body, large trunk (which was even a regular table for a picnic and regular plastic basin, which could be used, for example, to wash collected mushrooms or caught fish). Thus designers were frankly focused on the American consumer: it was proved, in particular, by selector of automatic transmission in a form of traditional for the American car industry “poker”.
Years went by, the car was improving, its generations were changing, and the geography of production was expanding. By 2012, when we were interested in the IV generation with the factory code RM1-RM4, assembly of the model was conducted at the company’s plants in Japan, USA, England, Canada, Mexico, China and Thailand. The novelty premiere traditionally took place in the U.S., this time at the auto show in Los Angeles. The car has grown, somewhat lost its originality, but still focused on use as a family car.
In the US market, the car was offered with a four-cylinder 188 hp 2.4-liter K24Z engine, and in European markets – with a 2.0-liter R20A rated at 150 hp, as well as two turbodiesels 1.6 and 2.2 liters with 120 and 160 hp. (but in Russia diesel cars are not delivered officially). Versions with 2.4-liter engine sailed to us across the ocean, from the plant in East Liberty, Ohio, and they relied exclusively on a 5-speed automatic B5RA, and two-liter cars made a shorter sea voyage from the English town of Swindon and could be equipped with the same automatic, and a 6-speed manual. An important feature of the model was the intelligent Real-Time All-Wheel Drive, based on an electronically controlled clutch.
In 2015, the model underwent a restyling. There were versions equipped with a variator, xenon headlights, a frontal collision warning system, lane departure warning system, lane-keeping system, and adaptive cruise control added to the list of options. Despite the appearance in 2016 of the next, V-generation model, the RM generation was officially delivered to Russian dealerships until 2018.
Due to the traditional reliability of Honda cars, owners are in no hurry to part with the used CR-V, and the high liquidity leads to the fact that the cars for sale quickly find new owners. Prices for this model on the secondary market are kept at a fairly high level: for prestyled cars ask from 1050-1150 thousand rubles (for cars in 2012) to 1650-1750 thousand (for copies produced in 2014). Prices for cars after the restyling range from 1,550 to 2,050 thousand rubles. At the same time, the prices for 2.4-liter and 2-liter versions, as well as for cars with manual and automatic, practically do not differ.
In principle, the reputation of the Honda brand in our country has always been held at a very high level. But any car is not Mary Poppins, which, as you know, was ideal and perfect. Designers always have to find compromises, which means that any car has both what to praise and what to scold for. We have already written about problems of used CR-V of the second and third generations. Now it’s time to see what owners of the number four generation Honda CR-V scold and praise for…
Hate #5: England or America?
Anyone who has stopped his choice on the car Honda CR-V, regardless of whether he bought the car in the showroom or on the secondary market, had to face one very important question: to take the “British” or “American”? On the one hand, the cars assembled at the plant in East Liberty, Ohio, were equipped with more powerful 2.4-liter engine, so they could provide much better dynamics. This engine somehow better suited the image of the brand…
On the other hand, the cars from British Swindon were much more richly equipped. Here is how the author of one of reviews describes the torment of choice: “I sat in CR-V 2,0 (British assembly)… I liked it all – a lot of space, the ceiling is far (I’m taller than 190), nothing gets in the way, the side mirrors are like a truck – everything is visible, everything in its place, the level of ergonomics. Took a ride. The car goes well, but… I have no impression of any power reserve for acceleration during overtaking and for lack of roads. My instructor, seeing my hesitations, took me to the site with a special stage and showed me that the car went confidently with diagonal wheels off, climbed a steep hill and moved with a decent roll. I toured the SR-V 2,4 (American assembly) – here already other sensations! The car really runs and accelerates with gusto.
However – a couple of spoons of bad news: the Englishman and the American have different equipment! The “Englishman” has more comfortable seats, a parking brake behind and under wheel paddles that gives the possibility to control the engine and to feel more confident while overtaking “long lorries”, there is more pleasant plastic and soft cushions under the knees of front passengers. The “americos” has oak plastic, oak pads under knees, a front bumper with windows-holes, into which a stone, both a chicken and a cat will fly with the whistle, that makes a radiator an expendable material! But the automatic transmission with modes 1 and 2, that allows driving at low speed on a bad road in all-wheel drive mode, the rear windows are tinted, and there is a rear camera, but there is no warning of approaching an obstacle, which is strange. Also the handbrake has a “foot brake” – it is uncomfortable, but not terrible, you get used to it quickly.
The author of one more review is even harsher: “I have read the brochure about the maximum configuration with the engine 2,4 – my eye fell out and my jaw dropped off! At the catalog price of 1,559,000 rubles, there is no xenon, rain sensor, headlight washers, front and rear parking sensors, and there is hard plastic on the whole! And this is the maximum configuration! In answer to my question – why do I have to pay 1559 thousand dollars, it is a rubbish drum – the manager only apologized. With all due respect to Honda, I am not ready to pay such money for a completely empty car, while their competitors, in addition to all the options that are absent from Honda, for about the same money there is also keyless entry, and electric trunk, and monitoring of blind sp
And here’s the shame: the cars sold in the U.S. market were equipped with much richer … And as a result, it turns out that those who choose dynamics, will have to put up with hard plastic, the fact that the right knee will always hit a hard plastic, with the need to set a number of options, which they consider necessary, and get used to the inclusion of parking brake with a foot control. Well, those who choose comfort and richer options will have to put up with rather modest dynamic capabilities. Particularly upsetting is a hard corner of the hood of the transmission tunnel on the 2.4-liter American version, closed on the “English” with a soft lining, and the absence of a rain sensor: “If with plastic, to hell with it, it looks good, and you can not touch it with your hands every time you get in the car, then the wipers without auto mode upset. I have to regulate something there when it rains – it’s like a little thing, but it bothers me, I haven’t done it for 6 years. The “Americans” are also notable for their apparent lack of protection of underhood space from contamination from below: “Opening hood and looking under engine I see asphalt in some places. As a consequence, I have already repeatedly replaced under a warranty the horn from the alarm system twice”.
But also in case of the two-liter version it will be rather difficult to choose a complete set so that it would not contain something that you do not need and it would contain something that you need exactly: “The complete set is average. I was too greedy to spend money on another one. Now I regret, that I have not taken. That is why there is no folding of mirrors, sound with 6 speakers… I have only 4 speakers, and the sound is just awful. I feel like I’m in a KAMAZ at work!”.
Love #5: “Family Values” – interior and trunk volume
Actually, the first generation of the Honda CR-V was created and positioned as a family car, but the subsequent ones, including the fourth, remained faithful to this ideology. And what requirements do the owners have for a family car? First of all, the interior should be “capacious”, and the trunk was bigger. The CR-V has the full order with those, and with others. Here is what the owners write in their reviews: “The interior is big and comfortable. It is OK to sit in the back for three people. The front is great! The landing is comfortable, the thresholds are low, it is very convenient for people with some motor disabilities or the elderly to enter and exit. Really, the doors of this model open for 90 degrees and, as it is written in one review, “it is possible to jump into the saloon even from a run”, and even the driver of 195 cm height has no problems to sit down “behind himself”. The distance to backs of front seats and the width of saloon is enough: “We went to the south, so the daughter-in-law with the granddaughter slept on the back seat for the whole way practically rolled up”. Many reviews mention, that flat floor and adjustable angle of rear seat backs raises comfort of the second row.
The authors praise a trunk in at least 70 % of responses: “The volume in a cabin is like in “Gazelle”, one can carry a case without taking apart, with a closed trunk. The trunk is huge!”, “The trunk is probably the largest in the class, 589 liters. Convenient loading height. For comparison: Prado has 150-621 liters”, “I always had plenty of space for passengers and luggage: child seats, suitcases, hockey bag, stroller – please”, “we brought furniture from IKEA without unfolding the rear row of seats”. And if it’s folded down… “The trunk is huge! With the rear seats folded down, the fridge would fit in. Now, it will be more difficult to get rid of it, when someone asks for help with moving. At the same time, many reviews specify the convenience of saloon transformation: to fold backs of rear seats, one does not need to run around the car, but just pull one lever from the side of a trunk.
Certainly, there are some complaints: someone lacks fifth door opening servo, someone thinks that the luggage compartment needs more capacities for small items, someone grumbles that the trunk is so big that everything flies over it during a bump, and the standard net for mounting luggage is not provided and one has to buy it separately … But on the whole, the online community agrees that the Honda CR-V is a safe, roomy and unpretentious helper for the whole family, while not beating the family budget during operation: “In parallel with the CR-V operated Nissan Patrol. It is clear that they are different cars, but CR-V eats twice less gasoline, and in terms of capacity maybe twenty percent less.
Hate #4: Annoying Little Things
Alas, there is not enough space for small things not only in the luggage compartment, but also in the interior. Owners note very small glove box (in common parlance “glove box”), where, according to them, even an envelope with service book and the instruction does not fit, and they have to put it into a door pocket. There is absolutely nowhere to put the cell phone. Cupholders on a box cover are illuminated (and it’s good), but have no functions of heating or cooling, though the air ducts of a climatic unit lead to legs of rear passengers pass by them. And here is another thing: there are air ducts, but there are no sockets, where rear passengers could plug in their mobile devices.
There are no special questions to driver’s seat ergonomics, but many reviews mention too short driver’s seat cushions. “I wish Honda Motors would lengthen the lower passenger and driver seat cushion – not enough thigh support, but the side support is excellent.”
Yes, the trunk itself is big and comfortable, but the trunk door has no perimeter seal, which would prevent the trickling drops to the back. Many people write that in rainy weather every opening of a trunk is accompanied by a portion of dirty water behind the scruff. In general, CR-V is a fairy dirty, which, certainly, does not please: “The rear window gets dirty at an astonishing rate, including the rearview camera. You have to get out and wipe the lens before parking, otherwise you can’t see anything. The side mirrors save – convenient and large”. In such situation, unpainted bottom parts of plastic bumpers are not superfluous…
A lot of people are annoyed with absence of cowl’s hydraulic accumulators, so they have to use a fixing stand in an old fashioned way. It’s not a big deal, but it does not correspond to the price of the car. On the pre-styling CR-V xenon was absent as a class, as a result, night driving at speeds above 100 km / h is not very comfortable, even in good visibility.
There are also questions to the media system: someone complains that in order to insert a flash drive, you need to perform almost an acrobatic exercise, someone complains about the quality of the hands-free system microphone, someone is annoyed that Bluetooth is “stupid”: if you turn off one device, then another, already synchronized, automatically connects only after a couple of minutes.
In many reviews it is possible to find complains on too small volume of a fuel tank, an omen, certainly, the car is rather economic, but 56 liters is not enough, and here liters of about 70 would be just right.
At last, there are certain remarks to the algorithm of work of the 5 steps automat with which the 2-liter engine was adjusted: “The braking of the engine at dumping the gas is absent as a class. It is especially straining on mountain slopes: you have lost gas – the torque converter is released at once, and the heavy car flies by inertia, as a meteorite through space “.
Love #4: Smooth ride, comfort and handling
Ride comfort is among the undoubted merits of the Honda CR-V. Here the authors of reviews are not stingy in their praises: “Driving it is a pleasure, there are enough horses for its weight, cruise control works great”, “We have been driving it to the south since 2013 (and to Abkhazia, and the Crimea, and to our coast) – it is a pleasure, you go, and no fatigue” “It steers great – like a sedan, holds the road with confidence, when braking does not yaw, in the ruts when changing the line does not jump, stiff to the extent. In the corners it doesn’t bend. When driving on the asphalt you get maximum pleasure from the accurate response of the steering wheel and the well tuned suspension. There are a lot of such statements in the reviews.
But the excellent smoothness of ride has also certain negative consequences. In many reviews the authors mention the swaying: “Immediately after purchase I drove 200 km on the highway – my neck hurt because of the need to stabilize my head on the road. Now I got used to it, and my neck doesn’t hurt, but the swaying still bothers me”, “Steerability is quite decent, but the sway is present”, “When passing high-speed turns and hitting a wave or a bump, the car is very noticeable displacement from its trajectory… If you get on transverse waves, at a good speed and with almost full load, a failure of suspension is inevitable.
Basically, the owners write that the swaying starts at high speeds, more than 140 km/h, up to that the car is rather smooth and easily swallows road irregularities, and in general, the suspension is quite suitable for our roads. It holds a high-speed curve on a good asphalt with confidence, including serpentines-passes, rolls are moderate. Add to all said above smoothness of work and imperceptibility of shifts of automatic transmission, easy, but exact enough steering wheel (however, not everyone likes this easiness), and also legendary sound of Honda engine (and this is music to the ears of those who understand), and it becomes clear, that the owners like in Honda CR-V and why many of them change the car for the same one, but younger.
Hate #3: Noise insulation
We have to admit that in a huge number of reviews, authors write that the Honda CR-V’s comfort level is somewhat diminished by inadequate noise isolation. No, assessments like “total absence of noise isolation! All the classmates are on the top in comparison with the CR-V!” though they meet, but still quite seldom. It is possible to meet and directly opposite versions: “quite decent noise, much above average”. But in a much greater number of reviews, the authors estimate the acoustic comfort as mediocre, with three-plus: the noise while driving the car though does not make life absolutely unbearable, but still makes to deal closely with this issue.
The owners describe the situation as follows: “I was disappointed by the noise insulation. It is a little weak. But if you have direct hands and 10 thousand rubles, this issue can be solved in a day in a garage with a friend and a couple of bottles of beer”, “After the purchase in 2 weeks I did noise isolation of doors and arches, and changed the acoustics”, “I did a complete noise isolation, now almost like a Mercedes.
You can, of course, and not to carry out such large-scale work, and be limited to a slightly smaller amount. So, one of the authors writes that additional noise insulation on the bottom was enough for him, the other was satisfied with laying of vibroizolation in the trunk and on wheel arches, the third limited himself to sticking a layer of noise insulation on winglets… Anyway, consider that the problem of noise for CR-V is still relevant.
Love #3: The expense
But in almost all reviews, the authors sing the dithyrambs of economy of the beloved Honda (Sirvochka, Servantica). Certainly, it mainly concerns owners of two-liter “British”: “The expense of gasoline – I was pleasantly surprised, for the average consumption for all time of operation has never exceeded 9 liters per 100 kilometers”, “It eats little fuel, 8 liters to the dacha. In the city 10 was. Winter came – 11 liters. Certainly, not everybody can do it in such a way, and the situation with traffic jams in cities is different. So, someone says that their fuel consumption in traffic jams is 13,5-14,5 liters per 100 kilometers in summer and 15 liters – in winter; someone says that if you drive in traffic jams only, it may reach 17 liters: “I can tell you about petrol consumption in such a way. According to my driving style I get 14 liters in the city, I didn’t precisely measure it. I try to be in the flow, I don’t like to stall. About 11.5 liters in the city – that’s a fairy tale! How dumb you have to be to drive to save up to 11.5 liters! My neighbors in the stream will honk their horns…”.
The “economists” argue with them: “Consumption depends on poured oil (you should not pour anything except 0w-20), proper adjustment of rear brake shoes (touching the drums is not allowed!), state of hub bearings, fuel quality, cleanness of all filters… As a result, on a freeway in a cruise control mode – 5,8, city – 8 l/100 km. That’s it, because there is nothing to press a gas pedal to the floor! Anyway, both “racers” and “economists” agree that it is quite real to get down to 7-8 l/100 km on a freeway, especially if not squeamish to switch on cruise control.
The owners of 2,4-liter “American” are a little bit more restrained in the enthusiasms, but they are basically quite satisfied with appetite of their machines. I have met only one review with quite sharp estimation: “I want to tell about the expense. It is just a monster! It burns in industrial scale, in the city in a traffic jam – 17-19 liters in the summer, in 30 degrees, in a frost at -15 – the same song begins!
But the majority estimates the consumption as “quite adequate”, especially if the owner is a family man and prefers a quiet driving style: “The flow rate of 95-rd petrol on a freeway is 6.9-8 l/100 km, on the average 7.5 (I drive 110 on cruise control). In the city – 10.5 l/100 km according to the compass readings. But I always have ECO mode – big green button, so cars’ reactions to accelerator pedal are blurred. If you push the button, it immediately rushes with all 190 horses, but the consumption will be much higher. I just drove from Krasnodar to Tbilisi to Krasnodar, 1700 km with mountains and mountain passes. Total consumption – 8.1 l/100 km. The money spent for gasoline in general – 5500 rubles for 1700 km = 3.24 rubles per 1 km. At the price of gasoline 95 rubles 42 rubles per liter it turns out all 7.7 l/100 km. The engine is geared for 92-gasoline, but the flow rate at it is higher and pulls worse, respectively, the consumption of rubles per kilometer turns out more. It is more pleasant and cheaper to drive with the 95-th. The average consumption of 95 gasoline – 7.6-8 l/100 km.
In any case, even a 2.4-liter version of the CR-V turns out to be more economical than its peers: “We recently returned from Altai. There were three cars in a team, read – in the test. Before start we filled up for “shooting off”, then at the same time again under a traffic jam. Total fuel consumption for 500 km between fill-ups was: Hyundai Santa Fe 2,7 c V6 – we filled up 60 liters, Hyundai iX35 2,0 l – 44 liters, CR-V 2,4 – 40 liters of 95. It is a nice figure! Average consumption in the mixed mode the owners estimate about 10 liters/100 km, in the city – 12-13 liters, on the highway – 8-9.
Hate #2: Winter problems and cross-country ability.
A number of all sorts of complaints, sometimes serious, sometimes – not so much, is associated with the winter exploitation of the car and its cross-country ability. On the one hand, CR-V copes quite well with moderately deep snow. Anyway it is not a problem to get out of a snow-covered parking lot, and on a snow-covered asphalt it keeps its trajectory clearly: “In winter it easily storms through drifts on a country road”, “On the highway in winter it goes perfectly. The all-wheel drive works in winter, I feel like other cars are over-insured”, “I overcome 10-20 cm deep snow without any problems. I didn’t want to go deeper, I felt sorry for the car. And it is hard to find a tractor in the clear field”.
Of course, do not drive too long “in a stretch” in the sand or snow: electronically controlled clutch, which is responsible for connecting the rear axle, can overheat, and the car for a time will remain front-wheel drive. But in general, control of the Honda CR-V all-wheel drive clutch is made very well. When moving from a place the clutch is blocked in advance, and the car begins to move in all-wheel drive. After the car decides that the movement is stable, without slippage, the clutch is disengaged, and then the car continues to move as a front-wheel drive. At sharp pressure on a gas pedal and acceleration the muff also is blocked beforehand, that is it works with so-called preload.
But it is necessary to understand that a crossover is a crossover, and its offroad potential is limited by a number of factors. The main of these factors is the small ground clearance. In official tables it is written that it makes 175 mm. But insistent Russian owners who got used not to trust anybody and nothing, naturally, went to check this figure and measured 170, and even 160 mm at the lowest point. Yes, one has to pay for flat floor in the back part of a passenger compartment… In general, the main thing is not to consider that once your automobile has a full drive, you automatically become the king of lack of roads. Roads with deep ruts and bumps are exactly worth to be wary of, and it is possible to find the mention of too small clearance in every second review.
But for winter operation it is important not only to move confidently on snow. For example, in reviews constantly sound complaints on absence of heating of a windshield, even in a zone of rest of windshield wiper blades. As a result, these same brushes regularly freeze to the glass… And also on the fact that in frosts the nozzles stop spraying washer fluid. Many owners complain that it takes very long to warm up the interior, like “I had the 99th VAZ warmed up this way, I’m already at work (30 km) and it is still cold”, that the steering wheel heating is absent as a class (while even budget “Koreans” are equipped with it), and the seats heating in severe cold brings their temperature to an acceptable level in 5-10 minutes.
Love #2: Balance
When you read reviews of Honda CR-V owners, especially the two-liter versions, at first you fall into what is now called “cognitive dissonance.” Some people say that the engine is weak, and overtaking requires some exertion, and some people think that the CR-V is a “pensioner’s cart,” but such extremists immediately object that 150 horses will get you from point A to point B easily, and if necessary – quickly and with acceleration, and that to overtake a column of trucks of any length is enough to learn to use the manual mode and paddles, because the second gear is “cut off” only at a speed of 110 km/h.
Actually, those who think, that CR-V is just perfectly balanced car are right. Certainly, it is not Porsche, but in sports mode it accelerates quite decently, though it not enough stars from the sky. Power of the engine is enough for confident driving both in a city, and on a freeway, and already 2,4-liter “American” allows making fire. Soft and smooth running will please you on long-distance runs, thus you will not suffer from “yawing”, rolls and “stalling” on turns at any speed. The steering wheel is light but precise and informative enough. Well and in a city you will be pleasantly surprised with excellent review (not a single complaint about too thick front struts!), possibility to turn around literally on a square and the dimensions comparable with the sedan of the C-class. Passability, certainly, is not as at Defender, but the car will pass there without problems where an usual car will pass. In a word, it is possible to commute to work every day, to the sea with the family, and to visit your mother-in-law in the village.
Externally, the car looks quite nice, and even years after its release on the market it is not perceived as outdated, “No ponces, but solid at the same time”. In a word, a typical crossover, which is something like a crescent wrench: you can unscrew any nut with it, but it is not always convenient to use it.
“A very balanced car in everything, except its original cost, but that too is compensated by the high price when selling on the secondary market. And so – low vehicle tax, low cost of ownership, a car from the “buy and drive” series. It is not even interesting, there is nothing to do”. Probably that’s why in reviews one can meet such passages: “It appeared to be the best car of all, that were for my more than 15-year driving experience”, “We were looking for cars of such class. I went into Ford, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Subaru. They all seem to be good in their own way, but when I got into a Honda, we realized that this is our car. A car for those who have a calm character, show care for themselves and their loved ones, and don’t like to change the family vehicle too often.
Hate #1: Pricezy
Yes, it is the high initial price that is the main disadvantage for anyone who has considered buying a Honda CR-V in the past or is considering it in the near future. The model has always cost about 20 percent more than its classmates when it comes to comparable packages. But even turning to the aftermarket doesn’t make things any easier: the CR-V has a high residual value and falls in price very slowly. It is good for a seller, but not so much for a buyer.
Thus many owners assert, that if to buy CR-V, it is necessary to take it in a good complete set, but there is a price tag ooh-hah! Otherwise you will be constantly annoyed with all sorts of trifles about which we have already talked, because the price is not low anyway! So when in reviews the owners are outraged, say, what the Honda marketers are looking at, why they have not localized production, they are quite understandable. And in one of the reviews, written back in 2015, there was a thought: “I think Honda will not survive in the Russian market with their pricing policy”. Alas, the prophecy turned out to be true. Just before the New Year’s holidays, the company announced that in 2022 it would leave Russia for good. One of the reasons is low sales: for 11 months of 2020 only 1383 crossovers of this brand have been sold, the high price is in many respects to blame for it…
Love #1: Reliability
But in assessment of reliability of Honda CR-V owners as if conspired! Firstly, they consider reliability to be the main advantage of the car, and secondly, they write in their reviews: “For 3 years there were no problems, a pleasure of driving”, “During the operation NOTHING has gone out of order. Mileage for 4.5 years was 64,000 km”, “For five years, only consumables”, “I owned for 5 years. No problems”, “For 6 years of possession has not failed even once!”, “There were no repairs, only consumables”… And such statements can be quoted for a long time: they say that nothing broke down, consumables only, and maintenance was not so expensive, in the area of 10-12 thousand rubles or less.
The suspension turned out to be very durable: “In 4 years I have driven more than 120,000 km, more than 5000 of them on absolutely broken roads, as evidenced by 2 bent discs. But it’s interesting: I have never repaired running gear, even replacement of silent blocks and stabilizer struts was not required”. Consequently, the owners express confidence that with CR-V you will definitely get where you need to go and when you need to go: “There were long trips of 10 000 km, and I always caught myself thinking that I can’t even imagine myself in a tow truck”. Maybe that’s why many of the authors of reviews note that this is not their first car of this model, and that their next car will also be a CR-V. After all, the car is not only reliable, but also an excellent level of safety: “My previous car was also Honda CR-V, only 2014. Once I was in an accident, a head-on collision. The car ended up with total damage. I got away with only minor injuries, not even a bruise!”. And, as you know, one doesn’t look for the good…